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		<title>By: Thomas VOD ans visioconferencing specialist</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/02/04/django-blogs-vs-wordpressorg-vs-wordpresscom/#comment-1796</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas VOD ans visioconferencing specialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. One major problem with open source blogging software is that you MUST be up to date or you&#039;ll get hacked.

Recent versions of wordpress make that easy, but still I see many blogs being plagued by spam or simply hacked.

But it&#039;s true that using a ready made blog engine, makes you focus on the content (until you play with too many plugins). I developed my own blogging engine (plus other stuff around it) using Ruby on Rails, but sometimes a stupid bug can crash my whole website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. One major problem with open source blogging software is that you MUST be up to date or you&#8217;ll get hacked.</p>
<p>Recent versions of wordpress make that easy, but still I see many blogs being plagued by spam or simply hacked.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s true that using a ready made blog engine, makes you focus on the content (until you play with too many plugins). I developed my own blogging engine (plus other stuff around it) using Ruby on Rails, but sometimes a stupid bug can crash my whole website.</p>
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		<title>By: Bram Braakman</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/02/04/django-blogs-vs-wordpressorg-vs-wordpresscom/#comment-1637</link>
		<dc:creator>Bram Braakman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. As a Wordpress, Expression Engine and Django user I can relate to all your arguments.  I do agree with Neil though that there is still a lot of interest in a good blog/cms django app that can be easily deployed and adapted.
I am currently working on a django intranet application for a client and sometimes feel that some functionality we are building is simply a Wordpress/EE/Any CMS functionality that would have been so much easier to use if it actually was Wordpress/EE etc. But since it has to fit into the rest of the django application, we have to build it ourselves.
There is a django-cms project (google it) that seems interesting.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. As a WordPress, Expression Engine and Django user I can relate to all your arguments.  I do agree with Neil though that there is still a lot of interest in a good blog/cms django app that can be easily deployed and adapted.<br />
I am currently working on a django intranet application for a client and sometimes feel that some functionality we are building is simply a WordPress/EE/Any CMS functionality that would have been so much easier to use if it actually was WordPress/EE etc. But since it has to fit into the rest of the django application, we have to build it ourselves.<br />
There is a django-cms project (google it) that seems interesting.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Claw's</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/02/04/django-blogs-vs-wordpressorg-vs-wordpresscom/#comment-1618</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Claw's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We feel that WordPress is the right platform to promote our dolphin spotting, dhow sailing, snorkeling, and seafood dining at Charlie Claw&#039;s here on Wasini Island because it will allow our guests and future customers to interact with us in a way that our old site does not. We are just waiting for our FTP server to be fixed so we can install WP with the K2 theme.

We really don&#039;t see anything other blogging/CMS app outdoing WordPress now that it&#039;s at ver 2.8.4. Even the big boys are WordPressing too. :-)

Cheers!
Charlie Claw&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We feel that WordPress is the right platform to promote our dolphin spotting, dhow sailing, snorkeling, and seafood dining at Charlie Claw&#8217;s here on Wasini Island because it will allow our guests and future customers to interact with us in a way that our old site does not. We are just waiting for our FTP server to be fixed so we can install WP with the K2 theme.</p>
<p>We really don&#8217;t see anything other blogging/CMS app outdoing WordPress now that it&#8217;s at ver 2.8.4. Even the big boys are WordPressing too. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
Charlie Claw&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel A. Falvo II</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/02/04/django-blogs-vs-wordpressorg-vs-wordpresscom/#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel A. Falvo II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To date, all blogs are written so as to support diary entries, or glorified newspaper articles.  However, I want my blog to host articles written in a more formal style, something that elevates the reader beyond a fourth-grade reading level.

To this end, I desire a blog that supports a proper title, author, abstract, body (including structured sections), footnotes, and a proper bibliography.

Can your blog software do this?

Didn&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To date, all blogs are written so as to support diary entries, or glorified newspaper articles.  However, I want my blog to host articles written in a more formal style, something that elevates the reader beyond a fourth-grade reading level.</p>
<p>To this end, I desire a blog that supports a proper title, author, abstract, body (including structured sections), footnotes, and a proper bibliography.</p>
<p>Can your blog software do this?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/02/04/django-blogs-vs-wordpressorg-vs-wordpresscom/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I&#039;m not aware of substantial interest in standardizing Django blog functionality.  The most recent relevant thread I found on django-users is &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/2dlvcg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;.  Here are some comments from it:

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&quot;I&#039;m not necessarily convinced that there&#039;s a great need for a &quot;standard&quot; Django blog application; it would appease some folks, but I have a feeling that in the Django world a lot of people really would be happier, in the long run, writing their own app that does what they need...&quot;

&quot;It&#039;s easy to write a &quot;basic&quot; blog in Django.  If that&#039;s all people want, then great.  Something like that will work perfectly for the majority of bloggers (who probably won&#039;t get that much readership anyway)...

But all this talk about making a &quot;full-featured&quot; blog app in Django -- one that will really get noticed (and thus get django noticed): what we need is a blog with *more features* that could actually begin to compete with something like Wordpress**.

I mean stuff like Akismet, Flickr integration, delicious/magnolia bookmarks, multi-author (with per-object permissions), importing from Wordpress, statistics, easy web-based installation (NOT easy_install but a wizard someone could follow, like the Wordpress install, lots of
customization, integration with pingback services, etc.....

If that sounds like a lot, that&#039;s because it is.  To even be a blip on the screen it will need this kind of stuff.  I also doubt the django-admin will be sufficient for an application like this...&quot;

&quot;All I tried to say is perhaps that people who are looking for a simple to use blogging solution might want to get there with the least amount of work. Installing Wordpress is damn easy. Everybody with &quot;computer knowledge&quot; therefore typically recommends Wordpress (let&#039;s not dive into the discussion here that PHP is nearly always preinstalled and Python not).&quot;

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I won&#039;t argue that &lt;em&gt;nobody&lt;/em&gt; is interested in this, because someone&#039;s always interesting in something. But I don&#039;t see a groundswell of demand for a standard blogging app.  If you do, please post some links or information about it.

Among the existing Django blogging applications out there, the best-known one is probably &lt;a href=&quot;http://code.google.com/p/blogmaker/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blogmaker&lt;/a&gt;.  I&#039;ve never used it.  The documentation claims it&#039;s full-featured and production-quality.  If it emerges as the de jure or de facto standard, it might change the blogging landscape.  If that happens, more power to it!

But your comment touched on two other issues that speak to how much development will be needed on projects such as Blogmaker.

Today, it&#039;s easy to deploy existing open-source blogging applications along with Django.  Most blogs want to live at an URL like &lt;code&gt;www.domain.com/blog/&lt;/code&gt;, and that&#039;s easy to do with apache redirects.  It&#039;s what &lt;a href=&quot;http://seeknuance.com/2008/04/30/trenchmice-gets-snuffed/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TrenchMice&lt;/a&gt; does.  TrenchMice is 100% Django, with a WordPress blog.

&quot;Easy&quot; is a fuzzy term.  It wasn&#039;t &quot;easy as pie&quot; to set up, but it wasn&#039;t hard either. I can&#039;t compare its ease of installation with the ease of installation of a nonexistent Django blogging competitor.  My point is that &quot;top-notch blog functionality&quot; can be deployed in Django applications today.

Which leads me my second point, which is that existing open-source blogging services/products have &lt;em&gt;tons&lt;/em&gt; of features.  In order to compete with, say, WordPress, you&#039;re talking about &lt;em&gt;a lot&lt;/em&gt; of development.  In technical terms, a &quot;shitload.&quot; :-)

I&#039;m not saying it can&#039;t be done, but the &quot;top-notch blog functionality&quot; bar is very high.  And the existing blogging products won&#039;t be standing still while this development occurs.  BTW, WordPress is open-source, you have just as much (I would argue far more, if you count themes) development activity in it  than you would have on a Django blogging platform.

And after all that development, we&#039;ll have...a blogging engine.  Gee, just like we have today.

Thanks for writing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I&#8217;m not aware of substantial interest in standardizing Django blog functionality.  The most recent relevant thread I found on django-users is <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2dlvcg" rel="nofollow">this one</a>.  Here are some comments from it:</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not necessarily convinced that there&#8217;s a great need for a &#8220;standard&#8221; Django blog application; it would appease some folks, but I have a feeling that in the Django world a lot of people really would be happier, in the long run, writing their own app that does what they need&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s easy to write a &#8220;basic&#8221; blog in Django.  If that&#8217;s all people want, then great.  Something like that will work perfectly for the majority of bloggers (who probably won&#8217;t get that much readership anyway)&#8230;</p>
<p>But all this talk about making a &#8220;full-featured&#8221; blog app in Django &#8212; one that will really get noticed (and thus get django noticed): what we need is a blog with *more features* that could actually begin to compete with something like WordPress**.</p>
<p>I mean stuff like Akismet, Flickr integration, delicious/magnolia bookmarks, multi-author (with per-object permissions), importing from WordPress, statistics, easy web-based installation (NOT easy_install but a wizard someone could follow, like the WordPress install, lots of<br />
customization, integration with pingback services, etc&#8230;..</p>
<p>If that sounds like a lot, that&#8217;s because it is.  To even be a blip on the screen it will need this kind of stuff.  I also doubt the django-admin will be sufficient for an application like this&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;All I tried to say is perhaps that people who are looking for a simple to use blogging solution might want to get there with the least amount of work. Installing WordPress is damn easy. Everybody with &#8220;computer knowledge&#8221; therefore typically recommends WordPress (let&#8217;s not dive into the discussion here that PHP is nearly always preinstalled and Python not).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t argue that <em>nobody</em> is interested in this, because someone&#8217;s always interesting in something. But I don&#8217;t see a groundswell of demand for a standard blogging app.  If you do, please post some links or information about it.</p>
<p>Among the existing Django blogging applications out there, the best-known one is probably <a href="http://code.google.com/p/blogmaker/" rel="nofollow">Blogmaker</a>.  I&#8217;ve never used it.  The documentation claims it&#8217;s full-featured and production-quality.  If it emerges as the de jure or de facto standard, it might change the blogging landscape.  If that happens, more power to it!</p>
<p>But your comment touched on two other issues that speak to how much development will be needed on projects such as Blogmaker.</p>
<p>Today, it&#8217;s easy to deploy existing open-source blogging applications along with Django.  Most blogs want to live at an URL like <code><a href="http://www.domain.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.domain.com/blog/</a></code>, and that&#8217;s easy to do with apache redirects.  It&#8217;s what <a href="http://seeknuance.com/2008/04/30/trenchmice-gets-snuffed/" rel="nofollow">TrenchMice</a> does.  TrenchMice is 100% Django, with a WordPress blog.</p>
<p>&#8220;Easy&#8221; is a fuzzy term.  It wasn&#8217;t &#8220;easy as pie&#8221; to set up, but it wasn&#8217;t hard either. I can&#8217;t compare its ease of installation with the ease of installation of a nonexistent Django blogging competitor.  My point is that &#8220;top-notch blog functionality&#8221; can be deployed in Django applications today.</p>
<p>Which leads me my second point, which is that existing open-source blogging services/products have <em>tons</em> of features.  In order to compete with, say, WordPress, you&#8217;re talking about <em>a lot</em> of development.  In technical terms, a &#8220;shitload.&#8221; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it can&#8217;t be done, but the &#8220;top-notch blog functionality&#8221; bar is very high.  And the existing blogging products won&#8217;t be standing still while this development occurs.  BTW, WordPress is open-source, you have just as much (I would argue far more, if you count themes) development activity in it  than you would have on a Django blogging platform.</p>
<p>And after all that development, we&#8217;ll have&#8230;a blogging engine.  Gee, just like we have today.</p>
<p>Thanks for writing!</p>
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		<title>By: Neal McBurnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal McBurnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you say is fine if all someone wants is a blog, or if people are writing their own one-off blogging apps.

But I see a lot of interest in standardized support for  top-notch blog functionality for deploying alone or with other django apps.

And I&#039;ll go further to say that there is also interest in building a CMS on top of django, with all the sorts of theming, plug-and-play css options, etc. that wordpress or plone already offer.  But done right, and securely, in python on django, for deployment by non-programmers.

I&#039;ve heard over and over that many in the django community don&#039;t want that as their focus.  Fine!  But django-the-framework is still a great building-block for a great CMS, IMHO.

So again - if getting a blog up is what you want - yes, there are many options.  But if folks want to help django be a player in the blogging world, an important area of web interactivity, then by all means lets collaborate on getting some first-class software and designs out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say is fine if all someone wants is a blog, or if people are writing their own one-off blogging apps.</p>
<p>But I see a lot of interest in standardized support for  top-notch blog functionality for deploying alone or with other django apps.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll go further to say that there is also interest in building a CMS on top of django, with all the sorts of theming, plug-and-play css options, etc. that wordpress or plone already offer.  But done right, and securely, in python on django, for deployment by non-programmers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard over and over that many in the django community don&#8217;t want that as their focus.  Fine!  But django-the-framework is still a great building-block for a great CMS, IMHO.</p>
<p>So again &#8211; if getting a blog up is what you want &#8211; yes, there are many options.  But if folks want to help django be a player in the blogging world, an important area of web interactivity, then by all means lets collaborate on getting some first-class software and designs out there.</p>
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