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		<title>By: Saka</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/09/06/moving-from-django-to-plone/#comment-1217</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plone :) 
I know Plone And Django. 
I want to ask if somebody meet Plone WEB2 web site around the web?
With big traffic and a lot of logged in users?
 NO WAY!!! 
Plone GOOD as a static CONTENT PLATFORM. NO MORE!!! 
I like plone - I also like windows VISTA. 
but I prefer UBUNTU!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plone <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I know Plone And Django.<br />
I want to ask if somebody meet Plone WEB2 web site around the web?<br />
With big traffic and a lot of logged in users?<br />
 NO WAY!!!<br />
Plone GOOD as a static CONTENT PLATFORM. NO MORE!!!<br />
I like plone &#8211; I also like windows VISTA.<br />
but I prefer UBUNTU!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Django -&#62; Plone: Things that make me go, Hmmmm. &#171; Seek Nuance</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/09/06/moving-from-django-to-plone/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Django -&#62; Plone: Things that make me go, Hmmmm. &#171; Seek Nuance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8212; John @ 10:30 am   [This continues from my previous post about my Django-to-Plone odyssey. My first post in the series explains why I&#039;m learning Plone, and the caveats that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8212; John @ 10:30 am   [This continues from my previous post about my Django-to-Plone odyssey. My first post in the series explains why I'm learning Plone, and the caveats that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/09/06/moving-from-django-to-plone/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Martin: Thank you for commenting. That is interesting. The Django documentation is great, eh? You learn so much, and all in the right order, just by starting at the top of Django&#039;s documentation page and working your way down the page, link by link. It&#039;s very well done. (And it was even well done &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; it was recently reorganized and improved!)

Are you able to compare Zope 3 (of which I have no experience - I&#039;ve been focussing on Zope 2) with Django?

I hope you write in again after you&#039;ve learned more Django, and share with us how you&#039;re doing. Or, feel free to post a link here to your own blog.

Good luck!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Martin: Thank you for commenting. That is interesting. The Django documentation is great, eh? You learn so much, and all in the right order, just by starting at the top of Django&#8217;s documentation page and working your way down the page, link by link. It&#8217;s very well done. (And it was even well done <em>before</em> it was recently reorganized and improved!)</p>
<p>Are you able to compare Zope 3 (of which I have no experience &#8211; I&#8217;ve been focussing on Zope 2) with Django?</p>
<p>I hope you write in again after you&#8217;ve learned more Django, and share with us how you&#8217;re doing. Or, feel free to post a link here to your own blog.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/09/06/moving-from-django-to-plone/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, this is interesting - I am doing the exact opposite. After working with plone on and off the last couple of years I decided to learn Django.

My reasons were that Plone is sometimes too  much. Plone is great when all the bells and whistles are needed, but when a simple web page with clean widgets that interacts with a SQL database is all that is required - plone is perhaps overkill and not even good at it.  

I love plone - but the author is right. There is plenty of documentation but knowing what to read and where to start is not clear.  And the concepts like TAL, TALES, METAL, Zope Page Templates, Archetypes, Acquisition,  etc, etc, etc can be overwhelming.  Plone out of the box is fantastic. BUT as soon as any customizing is required  learning the above concepts become mandatory.

Yesterday was my first day learning about Django.  I did the tutorial.  (Tutorial is a concept not used enough in the Plone world).  WOW - the tutorial was FANTASTIC!!!!!!  The code works and the concepts are well explained! So - I&#039;m keen on seeing if I can make Django work for my simple projects and use Plone for when I need all the Bells and Whistles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is interesting &#8211; I am doing the exact opposite. After working with plone on and off the last couple of years I decided to learn Django.</p>
<p>My reasons were that Plone is sometimes too  much. Plone is great when all the bells and whistles are needed, but when a simple web page with clean widgets that interacts with a SQL database is all that is required &#8211; plone is perhaps overkill and not even good at it.  </p>
<p>I love plone &#8211; but the author is right. There is plenty of documentation but knowing what to read and where to start is not clear.  And the concepts like TAL, TALES, METAL, Zope Page Templates, Archetypes, Acquisition,  etc, etc, etc can be overwhelming.  Plone out of the box is fantastic. BUT as soon as any customizing is required  learning the above concepts become mandatory.</p>
<p>Yesterday was my first day learning about Django.  I did the tutorial.  (Tutorial is a concept not used enough in the Plone world).  WOW &#8211; the tutorial was FANTASTIC!!!!!!  The code works and the concepts are well explained! So &#8211; I&#8217;m keen on seeing if I can make Django work for my simple projects and use Plone for when I need all the Bells and Whistles.</p>
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		<title>By: Django -&#62; Plone: Light Bulbs, differences, irks &#171; Seek Nuance</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/09/06/moving-from-django-to-plone/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Django -&#62; Plone: Light Bulbs, differences, irks &#171; Seek Nuance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Django -&gt; Plone: Light Bulbs, differences,&#160;irks Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; Tags: django, plone &#8212; John @ 2:19 pm   [This continues from my first post about my Django-to-Plone odyssey.] [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Django -&gt; Plone: Light Bulbs, differences,&nbsp;irks Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; Tags: django, plone &#8212; John @ 2:19 pm   [This continues from my first post about my Django-to-Plone odyssey.] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Knapp</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/09/06/moving-from-django-to-plone/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Knapp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John,

Yeah very insightful post. I&#039;ve been dev-ing in Plone for about 5 years now and therefore sometimes forget the challenges of picking up the framework/application so it was great to have a &#039;litmus test&#039; of how we&#039;re going in terms of documentation/etc. And BTW as a longer-term Plonista I&#039;d definitely say the *community* is our greatest asset!

-Tim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Yeah very insightful post. I&#8217;ve been dev-ing in Plone for about 5 years now and therefore sometimes forget the challenges of picking up the framework/application so it was great to have a &#8216;litmus test&#8217; of how we&#8217;re going in terms of documentation/etc. And BTW as a longer-term Plonista I&#8217;d definitely say the *community* is our greatest asset!</p>
<p>-Tim</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2008/09/06/moving-from-django-to-plone/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, I have been interested in how the python based frameworks such as Django and Turbogears compare to plone as I recently spent a lot of time working in plone with the recent migration of our site from a php based CMS to plone 3. Looking forward to hearing more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, I have been interested in how the python based frameworks such as Django and Turbogears compare to plone as I recently spent a lot of time working in plone with the recent migration of our site from a php based CMS to plone 3. Looking forward to hearing more.</p>
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