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	<title>Comments on: A review of EMC Retrospect 8.0 for Macintosh</title>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, after a year of using CrashPlan Pro I can now confidently say that it is a very good product.  The backups are trouble-free, the restores are very fast and the flexibility of their design is very powerful.  We are happy customers!  (70 Mac workstations, 15 Linux servers, 1 Mac server)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, after a year of using CrashPlan Pro I can now confidently say that it is a very good product.  The backups are trouble-free, the restores are very fast and the flexibility of their design is very powerful.  We are happy customers!  (70 Mac workstations, 15 Linux servers, 1 Mac server)</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1713</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After being jerked around by several point releases that continued to suck, I dropped Retrospect 8.1.  It was a waste of $1,000, which I regret, but unreliable and troublesome backups are unacceptable.  The cost of the time I was spending on maintaining it far exceeded the purchase price.  I demo&#039;d CrashPlan Pro and it fit the bill for us.  One week into running CPP and no problems to report.  Thanks for the recommendation, Daniel!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After being jerked around by several point releases that continued to suck, I dropped Retrospect 8.1.  It was a waste of $1,000, which I regret, but unreliable and troublesome backups are unacceptable.  The cost of the time I was spending on maintaining it far exceeded the purchase price.  I demo&#8217;d CrashPlan Pro and it fit the bill for us.  One week into running CPP and no problems to report.  Thanks for the recommendation, Daniel!</p>
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		<title>By: One perspective on EMC Retrospect 8 &#171; Chicago Mac/PC Support</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[One perspective on EMC Retrospect 8 &#171; Chicago Mac/PC Support]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 12, 2009 by chimac    Stay away from it!  Even version 8.1 has some issues.  Read here for another persons [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: CrashPlan Pro vs. Retrospect 8.1 &#171; Seek Nuance</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1565</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CrashPlan Pro vs. Retrospect 8.1 &#171; Seek Nuance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the consumer edition doesn&#8217;t support NAS, I wound up needing the business edition. Like my first review of the released Retrospect 8.0, I&#8217;ll cut to the chase [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the consumer edition doesn&#8217;t support NAS, I wound up needing the business edition. Like my first review of the released Retrospect 8.0, I&#8217;ll cut to the chase [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I am catching flak. I had to roll back to our previous 6.x version. My credibility has taken a huge hit. 

EMC needs to sort this one out pretty quick. I can&#039;t believe it made it to the market in the condition that software it. I&#039;m not touching any updates until I start to read glowing feedback.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am catching flak. I had to roll back to our previous 6.x version. My credibility has taken a huge hit. </p>
<p>EMC needs to sort this one out pretty quick. I can&#8217;t believe it made it to the market in the condition that software it. I&#8217;m not touching any updates until I start to read glowing feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My review of the latest version &#8212; 8.1 &#8212; &lt;a href=&quot;http://seeknuance.com/2009/07/02/emc-retrospect-8-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is still negative&lt;/a&gt;. 

Even so, I&#039;ve decided to stay with Retrospect 8.* for now. I&#039;m hoping this piece of garbage will gradually get better. Three minor revs from now, it might be where it should have been when they started selling it. But I&#039;ve already paid for it, so as long as there&#039;s no retrograde motion in the functionality of their updates, I&#039;ll stay put.

For an alternative...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://seeknuance.com/2008/06/12/memeo-is-clueless/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I strongly recommend &lt;em&gt;against&lt;/em&gt; Memeo Lifeagent&lt;/a&gt;.

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://seeknuance.com/2009/07/02/emc-retrospect-8-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&#039;s comments&lt;/a&gt;,  @Daniel spoke positively of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crashplan.com/business/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crashplan Pro&lt;/a&gt;.

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://seeknuance.com/2009/05/26/another-review-of-retrospect-8-0-for-macintosh-fail/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&#039;s comments&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marinersmuseum.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Adam Carrier&lt;/a&gt; mentioned &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tolisgroup.com/products/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BRU from TOLIS Group&lt;/a&gt;.

When you make your purchase, could you come back here and tell us what you did? Thanks!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My review of the latest version &mdash; 8.1 &mdash; <a href="http://seeknuance.com/2009/07/02/emc-retrospect-8-1/" rel="nofollow">is still negative</a>. </p>
<p>Even so, I&#8217;ve decided to stay with Retrospect 8.* for now. I&#8217;m hoping this piece of garbage will gradually get better. Three minor revs from now, it might be where it should have been when they started selling it. But I&#8217;ve already paid for it, so as long as there&#8217;s no retrograde motion in the functionality of their updates, I&#8217;ll stay put.</p>
<p>For an alternative&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://seeknuance.com/2008/06/12/memeo-is-clueless/" rel="nofollow">I strongly recommend <em>against</em> Memeo Lifeagent</a>.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://seeknuance.com/2009/07/02/emc-retrospect-8-1/" rel="nofollow">this post&#8217;s comments</a>,  @Daniel spoke positively of <a href="http://www.crashplan.com/business/index.html" rel="nofollow">Crashplan Pro</a>.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://seeknuance.com/2009/05/26/another-review-of-retrospect-8-0-for-macintosh-fail/" rel="nofollow">this post&#8217;s comments</a>, <a href="http://www.marinersmuseum.org/" rel="nofollow">Adam Carrier</a> mentioned <a href="http://www.tolisgroup.com/products/" rel="nofollow">BRU from TOLIS Group</a>.</p>
<p>When you make your purchase, could you come back here and tell us what you did? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reviews - I got a bad feeling about this when I couldn&#039;t even figure out how to get a license key (to say their download/eval methods are cryptic is an  understatement.)

So, what would anyone suggest as an alternative?  Time Machine is completely insufficient for my requirements, so please let&#039;s not get into that discussion.  Instead of asking me what those requirements are, how about just names of software people use and LIKE, and I&#039;ll figure out which of them might be suitable (and others can do the same thing, to make this conversation more useful.)

JT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reviews &#8211; I got a bad feeling about this when I couldn&#8217;t even figure out how to get a license key (to say their download/eval methods are cryptic is an  understatement.)</p>
<p>So, what would anyone suggest as an alternative?  Time Machine is completely insufficient for my requirements, so please let&#8217;s not get into that discussion.  Instead of asking me what those requirements are, how about just names of software people use and LIKE, and I&#8217;ll figure out which of them might be suitable (and others can do the same thing, to make this conversation more useful.)</p>
<p>JT</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1548</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, I completely agree. &lt;a href=&quot;http://seeknuance.com/2009/07/02/emc-retrospect-8-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I wrote about the 8.1 release, too.&lt;/a&gt; It&#039;s a complete disaster. And they &lt;em&gt;still don&#039;t have a flippin&#039; user manual.&lt;/em&gt; And what the hell is it with network performance? It&#039;s not just that 8.*&#039;s performance is so bad, it&#039;s also that EMC was completely oblivious that they had a performance problem.

I used to tout Retrospect to friends, and now I&#039;ve turned 180 degrees around. I&#039;m wondering whether to throw in the towel completely, or stick with them until the next minor release and see how that turns out.

Funny you should mention the forums &#8212; I had the same impression. Why do forums suck so badly in so many sites? Dang it, &lt;a href=&quot;http://seeknuance.com/2009/05/16/one-usenet-to-rule-them-all/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I wrote about that, too.&lt;/a&gt; :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I completely agree. <a href="http://seeknuance.com/2009/07/02/emc-retrospect-8-1/" rel="nofollow">I wrote about the 8.1 release, too.</a> It&#8217;s a complete disaster. And they <em>still don&#8217;t have a flippin&#8217; user manual.</em> And what the hell is it with network performance? It&#8217;s not just that 8.*&#8217;s performance is so bad, it&#8217;s also that EMC was completely oblivious that they had a performance problem.</p>
<p>I used to tout Retrospect to friends, and now I&#8217;ve turned 180 degrees around. I&#8217;m wondering whether to throw in the towel completely, or stick with them until the next minor release and see how that turns out.</p>
<p>Funny you should mention the forums &mdash; I had the same impression. Why do forums suck so badly in so many sites? Dang it, <a href="http://seeknuance.com/2009/05/16/one-usenet-to-rule-them-all/" rel="nofollow">I wrote about that, too.</a> <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Retrospect 8 is a flaming turd on your doorstep.  How would you like to be charged $1,000 for that privilege?  

They just released 8.1 and while it has fixed &quot;hundreds&quot; of bugs, there are many hundreds more to go.  For me, it arbitrarily won&#039;t back up &quot;Proactive Backup&quot; clients as well as regular Mac clients.  The email notifications are completely broken, so you&#039;ll be combing through the log every day to see what got backed up and what didn&#039;t.  The forums are full of bug reports and very few workarounds - plus the fact that the search function on the forums is atrocious. 

After many years struggling with the poorly designed and buggy 5.x and 6.x, 8.x has proven to me that the problem is not with the software, but with the software development methods used at EMC.  Abandon all hope ye who enter here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retrospect 8 is a flaming turd on your doorstep.  How would you like to be charged $1,000 for that privilege?  </p>
<p>They just released 8.1 and while it has fixed &#8220;hundreds&#8221; of bugs, there are many hundreds more to go.  For me, it arbitrarily won&#8217;t back up &#8220;Proactive Backup&#8221; clients as well as regular Mac clients.  The email notifications are completely broken, so you&#8217;ll be combing through the log every day to see what got backed up and what didn&#8217;t.  The forums are full of bug reports and very few workarounds &#8211; plus the fact that the search function on the forums is atrocious. </p>
<p>After many years struggling with the poorly designed and buggy 5.x and 6.x, 8.x has proven to me that the problem is not with the software, but with the software development methods used at EMC.  Abandon all hope ye who enter here.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Anne: Yes, it&#039;s a disaster. I wrote a couple other later reviews of it in this blog; hunt for them if you want some light reading. :-)

I&#039;ve had my home backups goofed up because of it; your situation is of course far worse. 

Don&#039;t know if you follow the support forums, but, last week the product manager commented that another update is scheduled for &lt;em&gt;this week&lt;/em&gt;. It will have &quot;hundreds&quot; of bug fixes, and, finally, support for PPC Macs.

Tell you what. If they don&#039;t release a user manual soon, I&#039;m going to really flame them, because no manual this week will mean that the manual didn&#039;t exist even in draft form when they released 8.0.

I hope 8.0 isn&#039;t doing any damage to your reputation within your firm! Are you catching any flak?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anne: Yes, it&#8217;s a disaster. I wrote a couple other later reviews of it in this blog; hunt for them if you want some light reading. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had my home backups goofed up because of it; your situation is of course far worse. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if you follow the support forums, but, last week the product manager commented that another update is scheduled for <em>this week</em>. It will have &#8220;hundreds&#8221; of bug fixes, and, finally, support for PPC Macs.</p>
<p>Tell you what. If they don&#8217;t release a user manual soon, I&#8217;m going to really flame them, because no manual this week will mean that the manual didn&#8217;t exist even in draft form when they released 8.0.</p>
<p>I hope 8.0 isn&#8217;t doing any damage to your reputation within your firm! Are you catching any flak?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wish I&#039;d found your post sooner. We&#039;re now two + weeks w/o a backup for the company. The info SAYS you can have both versions co-exist but when in frustration I wanted to run backup via 6 so we weren&#039;t so far &#039;exposed&#039; to a hard drive failure, the system says: client reserved / duplicate. Oh joy.NOT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish I&#8217;d found your post sooner. We&#8217;re now two + weeks w/o a backup for the company. The info SAYS you can have both versions co-exist but when in frustration I wanted to run backup via 6 so we weren&#8217;t so far &#8216;exposed&#8217; to a hard drive failure, the system says: client reserved / duplicate. Oh joy.NOT.</p>
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		<title>By: Another view of Retrospect 8.0 for Macintosh: Fail &#171; Seek Nuance</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another view of Retrospect 8.0 for Macintosh: Fail &#171; Seek Nuance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 26, 2009 &#183; No Comments  An update to my earlier reviews of Retrospect 8.0 for [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Joel M Miller</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel M Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*** Retrospect 8 Means Not Looking Back ***

EMC&#039;s announcement of Retrospect 8 for Mac highlights some &quot;Important Information&quot;, namely that it doesn&#039;t run on PowerPC Macs, but that &quot;of course&quot; It still backs up PowerPC clients. So you figure they&#039;ve disclosed the major limitations, and if you&#039;re on an Intel Mac you&#039;re OK to upgrade.

You would be wrong. Once you&#039;ve purchased the software, you find out, either by trying to use it or by reading all the way to the bottom of the Read Me file that v8.0 will not recognize -- will not append to or restore from -- backups created with previous Retrospect versions! Is it not fundamental to a backup program to be backwards compatible? Apparently not. I&#039;m supposed to keep using my old Retrospect 6.1 to append to and restore from my existing (large) set of AIT-5 tapes, and spend $3,000 for another set of backup tapes for use with v8.0.

Retrospect 8 will not import clients or scripts from previous Retrospect versions, and cannot access backup sets created by previous versions. It is not an &quot;upgrade&quot; in the usual sense: it is a different program, related to previous versions only by similarity of function and EMC&#039;s hope that existing users will buy it and only later discover the trouble and expense required to make use of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*** Retrospect 8 Means Not Looking Back ***</p>
<p>EMC&#8217;s announcement of Retrospect 8 for Mac highlights some &#8220;Important Information&#8221;, namely that it doesn&#8217;t run on PowerPC Macs, but that &#8220;of course&#8221; It still backs up PowerPC clients. So you figure they&#8217;ve disclosed the major limitations, and if you&#8217;re on an Intel Mac you&#8217;re OK to upgrade.</p>
<p>You would be wrong. Once you&#8217;ve purchased the software, you find out, either by trying to use it or by reading all the way to the bottom of the Read Me file that v8.0 will not recognize &#8212; will not append to or restore from &#8212; backups created with previous Retrospect versions! Is it not fundamental to a backup program to be backwards compatible? Apparently not. I&#8217;m supposed to keep using my old Retrospect 6.1 to append to and restore from my existing (large) set of AIT-5 tapes, and spend $3,000 for another set of backup tapes for use with v8.0.</p>
<p>Retrospect 8 will not import clients or scripts from previous Retrospect versions, and cannot access backup sets created by previous versions. It is not an &#8220;upgrade&#8221; in the usual sense: it is a different program, related to previous versions only by similarity of function and EMC&#8217;s hope that existing users will buy it and only later discover the trouble and expense required to make use of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have yet to play with this since I gave up on Retrospect back at version 5 for any real archiving, played with version 6.1 and found no real improvement; and from what I&#039;ve read in this review nothing has changed. EMC Retrospect may have a fresh coat of paint but its foundation is still poorly designed. All of the described issues are the same ones that the earlier versions suffered from; clients connecting and then not connecting for the backup. I am glad someone took the time to actually review this app; good job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to play with this since I gave up on Retrospect back at version 5 for any real archiving, played with version 6.1 and found no real improvement; and from what I&#8217;ve read in this review nothing has changed. EMC Retrospect may have a fresh coat of paint but its foundation is still poorly designed. All of the described issues are the same ones that the earlier versions suffered from; clients connecting and then not connecting for the backup. I am glad someone took the time to actually review this app; good job.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart van Belle</title>
		<link>http://seeknuance.com/2009/03/24/a-review-of-emc-retrospect-80-for-macintosh-2/#comment-1345</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bart van Belle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am returning this software. It crashed my server 3 times in the span of 1 hour.
Retrospect 6 and 8 are the ONLY apps that have EVER crashed the server. I can live with 6, although it is a pain, but I know how to avoid the crashes most of the time.
Who on earth would make the server run on 10.4, but the console only on 10.5? IDIOTS!
8 is crapware.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am returning this software. It crashed my server 3 times in the span of 1 hour.<br />
Retrospect 6 and 8 are the ONLY apps that have EVER crashed the server. I can live with 6, although it is a pain, but I know how to avoid the crashes most of the time.<br />
Who on earth would make the server run on 10.4, but the console only on 10.5? IDIOTS!<br />
8 is crapware.</p>
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